Ukraine showed evidence of air to air missile launched by Russian fighterjet towards Ukraine SU-25 at July 16

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According Ukraine authorities, at July 16 2014 around 19:00 a Russian Mig 29 launched an air to air missile towards an Ukraine Air Force SU25. The SU25 was hit and crashed near the Ukraine-Russian border.

This was one day before MH17 was downed by a BUK surface to air missile. This again shows how remarkable it is Ukraine did not close its airspace. The Russian Mig-29 shot the Ukrainian airplane with missiles flying at an altitude of 8,250 m, according statements by the Ukraine authorities in public. However the final report of the Dutch Safety Board final report at page 182 states the Su-25 was downed at 6250meters.

This is about 4000 meters lower  to the altitude MH17 was flying the next day. MH17 was instructed by Russian air traffic control to turn towards the Rostov on Don radio beacon. This would take MH17 over the same area in which the previous day the Russian Mig-29 tried to down a SU-25.

On questions by DSB during the investigation, Ukraine responded that the SU-25 could also, but less likely, be downed by Pantsir surface to air missile system launched from Russia.

This was no reason for Ukraine to close its airspace at July 17. Mind there were many other reasons for Ukraine to close its aispace.

At July 18 2014, at the daily briefing by the Ukraine Crisis Media Center, spokesman Andriy Lysenko let hear the voice communications between aircraft ground control point of the Russian Federation  Armed Forces (call sign Rapier) and a Russian MiG-29 (pilot call sign 221). The command was to destroy airborne targets on Ukrainian territory.

The recording can be heard in this recording of the press conference at July 18, 2014. It starts at around 07:00 in the video.

The National Security of Ukraine  news and Analysis center briefing at 12:00 JULY 18, 2014 reported this about the Russian attempt to down an Ukraine SU-25.

The incident with the downed Boeing is the third after two Ukrainian military aircraft, an AN-26 and an SU-25 were shot down from Russian Federation territory. On July 16 at 18:55, Ukraine’s military intelligence found evidence that aircraft of the Russian Armed Forces Air Force were used against the Ukrainian Air Force SU-25 near the town of Amvrosiyivka. Specifically, Ukraine’s military intelligence tracked the flight of a MiG-29 from the 19th Air Fighter Squad of the 1st Mixed Aviation Division of the 4th Command of the RF Air Force in Rostov Oblast, Russia, near the Matveyev Kurgan in Novoshakhtinsk. Between 18:48 and 19:49 Kyiv time, the aircraft ground control point of the RF Armed Forces (call sign Rapier) guided the Russian MiG-29 (pilot call sign 221) to destroy airborne targets on Ukrainian territory.

There is evidence that, during his flight towards the state border of Ukraine at 155-330 degrees on a Rostov-on-Don—Donetsk tack in the neighborhood of Matveyev Kurgan (RF) — Amvrosiyivka (UA), the MiG-29 pilot of the RF Air Force was being guided over 5-7 minutes by his command base on the Ukrainian Air Force plane in order to damage it. The Russian MiG-29 fighter plane patrolled at 8,850 m and shot the Ukrainian airplane with missiles at an altitude of 8,250 m when the two planes were 35-40 km apart.

To hit its target, the RF Armed Forces Air force command told the MiG-29 pilot to use only air-to-air class rockets like the medium-range P-27T with an infrared homing system. This type of missile cannot be detected by the SPO-15 irradiation system typical in an SU-25, or with satellite-based intelligence and surveillance systems after firing. Another feature of the P-27 type missile is that they are made in Ukraine and are trademarked by the Artem Plant in Kyiv. This means that fragments found after shooting cannot be identified specifically as Russian weapons.

There is evidence that during the dogfight, the Russian fighter aimed at the Ukrainian plane three times to ensure the aim of his missile. After he had locked in on his target with the help of the on-board quantum optical locating device, the MiG-29 executed one missile hit at the Ukrainian Air Force plane. Thanks to the skill of the Ukrainian pilot and his evasive action against the missile, the plane was not hit directly and destroyed. The missile only hit the engine nozzle and the pilot executed an emergency landing, as reported previously.

Meanwhile, the Russian pilot’s inexperience, the time he took to home in on the Ukrainian craft again, and insufficient fuel in his tank prevented the MiG-29 from firing a second shot at the SU-25. The MiG-29 landed in emergency mode at the nearest airport in Rostov Oblast, in the Russian Federation.

Russia’s Army Aviation continues to carry out intelligence missions and patrols along the Ukrainian-Russian border. On July 17 ad 11:40, Ukraine’s border patrols saw a squad of 8 RF helicopters fly along the borderline opposite the territory that is patrolled by the Amvrosiyivka border service unit of the Donetsk section.

At 03:55 on July 18, drones were recorded while flying the length of the maritime border in the direction of Novoazovsk.

Later photos appeared online showing the wreckage of the SU-25. Eyewitness say the aircraft was downed using MANPADS.

 

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10 Comments on Ukraine showed evidence of air to air missile launched by Russian fighterjet towards Ukraine SU-25 at July 16

  1. the DSB report this “proof” is not indicated, there is simply a link to the website of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense (http://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2014/07/17/rosijskij-vijskovij-litak-zbiv-ukrainskij-su -25-v-nebi-donbasu /, footnote 91 on page 185). One can say a lot about why this is a fake, for example the fact that neither rocket nor the word “launch” is mentioned there, but it will be enough to say in this text that Mig-29 sat down because of a shortage of fuel.
    In the negotiations on fuel
    “7.12 The rapier 221 on the hill 30 in the set at 8850. The balance of 9 and 4 tons. (9.4 tons)”
    At Mig-29, the capacity of the inner tanks is maximum in the modernized version of 5700 liters (about 5 tons, on conventional – 4200 liters) and three outboard ones – 3820 liters (less than 3.5 tons). Mig-29 can not physically have 9.4 tons on board neither fuel, nor weapons (5 tons). This is a record of the talks not from the fighter but is more like an Il-78 negotiation and the refueling (“goal”) of another aircraft with a fixation of the rest of the fuel pumping. Which we hear at the end of the recording

    “11.20 balance 3200
    12.21 balance 2750
    12.53 balance 2400
    12.58 balance 2200
    13.07 tonne 950
    13.17 tonne 800
    13.20 tonne 700
    13.26 tonne and a half (1500) ”
    End of record

    1500 even liters, this is about 500 km of flight to the fighter, there can be no question of any forced landing at the nearest aerodrome, as shown by Lysenko, Rostov can fly to Voronezh.
    This is a propaganda fairy tale, which for some reason is believed not to make even a minimal check.

  2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpG9rYhwbHY&t=426s
    Time is text
    6.57 ..Рапира..2 21 на горке 30 в наборе на 8 850.
    7.06 Рапира 2 21 на горке 30 в наборе на 8 850. Остаток и 4 тонны.
    7.15 Сохраняй курс 30
    7.19 Выполняю в лево на курс 340 в наборе на 8 850
    (Лысенко на карте указывает на Ростов)
    7.24 2 21 на курсе 340 прошел 6800
    7.31 В захвате 2 21 7200
    7.34 2 21, пытается маневрировать
    7.39 2 20 в.. , 221 доварачивай до курса 30, цель маневрирует
    7.46 Цель в захвате
    7.49 Выполняю вправо до курса 150
    7.53 Вас понял, крен 60
    7.57 221 на курсе 150 в наборе на 8 850
    8.03 221 на курсе 150. 8 850 занял.
    8.08 Вас понял. Режим экономичный?
    8.12 Понял, установил экономичный 8 850
    8.16 Выполняю левый 850
    8.20 Выполняю влево курс 300 8 850
    8.25 По энергичней
    8.28 Понял
    8.32 Выполняю влево 290
    8.35 2 21 на курсе 290 8 850
    8.41 Понял 8 800
    8.45 8 800
    8.48 8 800
    8.51 Цель в захвате 221
    8.55 Подтвердил, в захвате
    8.59 Э.. в захвате 221
    9.02 Подтверждаю
    9.06 Подтверждаю, в захвате 221
    9.09 Подтверждаю, в захвате 221, пытается маневрировать
    9.15 По моим 35 удаление, в захвате
    9.20 Маневрирует
    9.23 Как отрыв (?)
    9.26 Понял, влево 150, 8 850
    9.32 Понял, крен 60 установил
    9.35 221 на курсе 150, 8 850
    9.40 8250 или 8 850, уточните
    9.46 2 5 0 понял, снижаюсь до 8 250 на курсе …
    9.52 221, на курсе 150, 8 250 занял
    10.00 Понял 8 250
    10.02 Влево 330 8 250
    10.07 Отвечаю два двадцать первый
    10.10 Вас понял
    10.14 Выполняю влево 310, 2 21
    10.18 На курсе 310, 8 250, 2 21
    10.23 Понял, 8 250 на курсе 310
    10.28 Аа.. 8 250
    10.31 В захвате, восе.. (хотел сказать 8) 2 21
    10.35 Подтверждаю, снова маневрирует
    10.40 В захвате цель … цель захвата
    10.45 8 200
    10.48 Снизу сколько?
    10.51 8 200 Цель подскажите, принижение (на сколько ниже) цели относительно меня?
    10.57 Еще раз, плохо раслышал
    11.00 Выполняю вправо до курса 150 высота 8 250
    11.07 Понял, крен 60
    11.10 2 21 на курсе 150 8 250
    11.16 Понял, сохраняю
    11.19 2 21 остаток 3 200
    11.22 Не понял
    11.26 Вас понял, правый 8 250 подскажите, экономичный
    11.32 Вас понял, экономичный
    11.35 Аа .. 221 на курсе 330 8 250
    11.42 8 200
    11.44 Далеко от 2 21 для догона
    11.48 Понял, вправо курс 150
    11.53 Выполняю вправо до курса 330
    11.56 2 21 на курсе 330 8 250
    12.02 Понял
    12.04 Выполняю вправо на курс 150 2 21
    12.09 2 21 на курсе 150 8 250
    12.14 Понял
    12.17 Выполняю вправо курс 330
    12.21 2 21 остаток 2750
    12.26 2 21 На курсе 330 8
    12.30 На курсе 330 8 250 2 21
    12.35 Сохраняю
    12.38 Выполняю влево курс 150
    12.42 2 21 на курсе 150
    12.47 Выполняю левый 8 250 2 21
    12.50 2500
    12.53 2 21 остаток 2400
    12.58 2 21 остаток 2200
    13.04 Понял
    13.07 2 21 остаток … тонна … 950
    13.14 Отвечай два двадцать первый
    13.17 2 21 тонна 800
    13.20 2 21 остаток тонна сем.. (700)
    13.26 2 21 остаток полторы тонны , тонна 500
    13.30 Понял 2 21
    13.31 Два…
    End

  3. I’m sorry what is the evidence Ukraine showed?

    Did they have their primary radar systems working that day or something?

    • sotilaspassi // January 3, 2018 at 6:38 am // Reply

      Recording of “voice communications between aircraft ground control point of the Russian Federation Armed Forces (call sign Rapier) and a Russian MiG-29”

  4. sotilaspassi // January 3, 2018 at 6:37 am // Reply

    Yet another good hint that UA does not have recording capability on their old air defence radars/systems.

    But was the civilian PSR under maintenance already 16Jul?
    Surely if civilian PSR was on 16Jul, there should be radar data to release as proof of MIG-29?

  5. sotilaspassi // January 3, 2018 at 6:43 am // Reply

    IMO: it would have been “smarter” for Russia to use a helicopter to shoot down SU25 planes that fly too close to Russian border.
    (they have air-to-air missiles for helicopters that have same warheads than some light SAM missiles)

  6. This is beyond ridiculous. Local eyewitnesses at the time of the shootdown (which occurred at 6:55 pm) clearly state the SU-25 was shot down from the 18th Mine in Snizhne by a DNR anti-aircraft weapons system.

    https://vk.com/wall235893372_14843 (7:00 pm)
    https://vk.com/wall235893372_14840 (7:09 pm)
    https://vk.com/wall235893372_14893 (8:16 pm)

    “DUE TO COMBAT ACTIONS ON THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE NEAR THE STATE BORDER WITH THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND THE FACTS OF FIRING ***FROM*** THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE ***TOWARDS*** THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIAN FEDERATION, TO ENSURE INTL FLT SAFETY …” (V6158/14 NOTAMN)

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