“MH17 shot down by BUK-M1-2 missile by mistake”

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The Crimea branch of Radio Free Europe at July 14 2016 published an online article with some statements of Igor Romanenko, an Ukrainian military expert, deputy chief of the General Staff of the ex-VSU General.

The same story was published at July 14 at this website.

The statements made are not new. At September 2015 the exact same story was published here.

 

Romanenko stated:

  • MH17 was shot down by a BUK-M1 using a  missile which belongs to a BUK-M1-2. This type of missile is not in use by Ukraine
  • residue of the BUK-M1-2 missile chemicals were found at the crashsite
  • The Joint Investigation Team obtained a warhead. The chemicals of the explosives matches those found at the crashsite.
  • the alleged launch location south of Snizhne is indeed the location were the BUK missile was launched from. Soil samples confirmed that.
  • MH17 was shot down by mistake. A spy working at an airport informed the separatists that an Antonov 26 was scheduled to fly towards the Ukraine-Russian border. The intention was to shot down the Antonov. Ukraine secret service intercepted the message of the spy and cancelled the Antonov flight. However the separatists were not aware of the cancellation.

Radio Free Europe is a US-state funded broadcasting organization that provides news, information, and analysis to countries in Eastern Europe, Central Asia and the Middle East “where the free flow of information is either banned by government authorities or not fully developed”. RFE/RL is a 501(c) corporation that receives U.S. government funding and is supervised by the Broadcasting Board of Governors, an agency overseeing all U.S. federal government international broadcasting services.

It is remarkable the same story as published in 2015 is now recycled by a US sponsored media organization.

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32 Comments on “MH17 shot down by BUK-M1-2 missile by mistake”

  1. Mr.Bushkin // July 14, 2016 at 2:02 pm // Reply

    Quote: “MH17 was shot down by a BUK-M1 using a missile which belongs to a BUK-M1-2. This type of missile is not in use by Ukraine”

    In other words, they claim that a 9M317 missile instead of 9M38 missile or 9M38M1 missile has been used. This makes a lot of “social media evidence” even more obsolete, since stabilizers of a 9M317 missile are situated completely diffrently.

  2. The article also states that the Dutch bought the BUK-M1-2 warhead 9N318. I wonder what outlet they used. eBay?

  3. Did the 9N318 warhead bought by the Dutch contain bow ties or will the DSB report be rewritten?

    • I have no clue what the article wants to lets us believe. As stated, the same info was published in september 2015. Seeing who pays Radio Free Europe it is likely some propaganda.

  4. Liane Theuer // July 14, 2016 at 2:42 pm // Reply

    I remember another version of this story, but cannot find the link :
    The spy was in reality a double agent who worked for the SBU. He gave the information to the separatists that an AN-26 will take off, though this flight was never planned.

    But if the Igor Romanenko story would be true, then I ask myself how an AN-26 wanted to run such a dangerous mission without the support of military radar.

    Igor Romanenko first came forward in his press briefing at Ukraine Crisis Media Center on July 18/2014 :
    https://rmsmcblog.wordpress.com/2014/07/20/military-expert-ihor-romanenko-civil-airliner-was-hit-by-a-missile-fired-from-russian-made-buk-missile-system-from-the-terrorists-controlled-territory/

  5. I think the article is just a low-quality retelling of Romanenko’s words from http://www.svoboda.org/content/transcript/27488109.html and his earlier interviews. 3 months ago I published a translated excerpt from the transcript of the original Jan 2016 broadcast mentioned above:
    https://twitter.com/sl0zhny/status/721689915583500288

  6. The BUK-M1-2 claim was made in March 2015 in Censor.net http://en.censor.net.ua/resonance/328926/submunitions_of_russian_missile_bukm12_aka_sa17_which_downed_the_malaysian_boeing_mh17_exclusive_photo
    and repeated on the first anniversary in July.
    http://en.censor.net.ua/photo_news/344323/chemical_examination_found_submunitions_from_boeing_corresponding_to_russian_buk_missiles_butusov_photos

    I thought that the BUK-M1-2 was ruled out by everyone when the DSB concluded that another older missile and warhead were used to shoot down MH17. It also contradicts Almaz-Antey’s information that the BUK-M1-2’s warhead contains only parallelipipids and no butterfly-shaped fragments.

    The RFE/RL article is probably just a case of bad journalism recycling obsolete theories. But I wonder if the JIT are changing the story from what the DSB told us last October.

    • It’s not just the story that’s the same, it’s based on the same interview with Romanenko from last September, before the DSB report was published. So it looks more like a case of bad journalism.

      • > it looks more like a case of bad journalism
        Whether it is a bad journalism depends on the point of view. From Romanenko personal point of view it may be good journalism, which he fully realizes on his way to the bank.

        The fact that the interview came out before the DSB report, proves that it’s just a pure BS, because the DSB report has nothing of the sort about the 9N318 warhead.

        • Even if Romanenko’s story is totally made up, it still kind of indicates that even Ukrainian experts found it hard to believe in traces of bow ties.

          • Romananko talks about the shape of the fragments of the 9N318 warhead, but I cannot comprehend his language. And I really doubt it can be comprehended at all. He says that the shape is “a T-shape cut across, albeit smaller” whatever that can mean. But the target audience is not supposed to understand such details. As long as the text looks complicated his job is well done.

          • This Romananko seems to have one task: make clear Russia is behind the downing of MH17. He started his job at July 18 2014.
            http://uacrisis.org/6284-ukrainian-vijjskovijj-ekspert-igor-romanenko

            Since then the story hardly changed.

    • My own source said that Soviet-made warheads available in Ukraine appeared to be different from which was used to shoot down MH17, while it might be marked with the same type (Russia refused to provide a requested sample). Likely some modified version was manufactured in Russia, that was used in 9M38 series missiles for the first specimens of Buk M1-2 when 9M317 was not yet ready. I don’t know whether these missiles could be fired from Buk M1 as well.

      • Slozhny on Russian forums also sometimes appeals to some (reliable) undisclosed sources who shared with him a secret. That’s not new.

        He fails, however, to explain why the DSB refused to make the metallurgical analysis of the fragments. This would not make sense if what he says is really true.

        • I did not work for DSB, do ask them why. AFAIK, the difference was noticed after the draft final DSB report had been ready. I guess, before this all parties agreed on 9N314M that was considered to be of the only design.

      • JustThinking // July 14, 2016 at 5:24 pm // Reply

        >to provide a requested sample)< Where this statement comes from? Source?

        • Just my private source. I remember I read somewhere that Russia refused to provide any pieces, but could not recall where exactly.

      • >Likely some modified version was manufactured in Russia, that was
        >used in 9M38 series missiles for the first specimens of Buk M1-2
        >when 9M317 was not yet ready.

        And the JIT was able to purchase one of those rare specimens on the black market?

        • No idea where they have got it from (if any). Why rare? I guess all 9M38 series production after a certain date was with modified warheads, and these warheads were installed in new missiles for Buk M1 too. I can’t exclude the modification was intended specifically for Buk M1-2 just because Romanenko mentioned M1-2. But I have got no such info.

  7. It was announced yesterday that the boss of the the BBG, which oversees RFE/RL and other US-backed media outlets, has been banned from Russia.

    The Russian foreign ministry described Jeff Shell, Chairman of the US Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG) as:
    “an organizer of a sweeping libelous anti-Russian propaganda campaign financed from the American budget, that is, conducted on the basis of political decisions taken in the US at top state level,”
    http://tass.ru/en/politics/888062

  8. JustThinking // July 14, 2016 at 6:14 pm // Reply

    1. Romanenko wasn’t and isn’t in DSB, JIT team is he? How does he know such details? Does it mean information and “evidences” being fed to DSB, JIT by SBU?!

    2. >A spy working at an airport informed the separatists that an Antonov 26 was scheduled to fly towards the Ukraine-Russian border. The intention was to shot down the Antonov. Ukraine secret service intercepted the message of the spy and cancelled the Antonov flightUkraine Crisis Media Center
    Kyiv, July 18, 2014. “It can be said with 99% certainty that the Malaysian Airlines passenger plane was hit by a missile from the “BUK” missile system, which was transported from Russia to the terrorist-controlled territory of Ukraine two days ago,” reported military expert Ihor Romanenko in his press briefing at Ukraine Crisis Media CenterMH17 was shot down by a BUK-M1 using a missile which belongs to a BUK-M1-2. This type of missile is not in use by UkraineDutch team also obtained the surnames of the officers of the armed forces of the Russian Federation – the crew of the very BUK, and now a search is being conducted for those who gave the order – up to Putin himself<

    Is it from Bcat *report*?!

    • Liane Theuer // July 14, 2016 at 11:41 pm // Reply

      “Does it mean information and “evidences” being fed to DSB, JIT by SBU?!”

      YES. There are a lot of sources which are confirming this. For example the statements of Alexander Ruvin. Or the JIT report on its work in Kiev.

      • MH17 is a political crash right from the start and maybe even months before. I have seen many errors and weird acting by DSB which can only be explained by influence of Kiev Research Institute and SBU. I am sure JIT is fed by those Ukraine parties as well. Will be very surprised if JIT does not announce the warhead was 9N314M and launchlocation south of Snizhne.

  9. sotilaspassi // July 15, 2016 at 5:56 am // Reply

    M1-2 missile?
    New to me.
    I think vanilla 9M38 (that no-one uses), M1 and M2 and M3 exist.
    And TELAR M1-2 exist, M1-2 missile does not.
    So far it seems M1 missile was used, TELAR could be M1-2 or M1.

  10. Basic Dimension // July 15, 2016 at 9:43 am // Reply

    According to the albert_lex histogram only the profile of 9N314M passes the test. The reason of finding less holes of 13 mm might be caused by the methodological error that squares more easily converge to their ribs, while bow-ties just turn around at the impact, giving kind of normal distribution around category 13.

    http://tinyurl.com/jlgsz9k
    http://tinyurl.com/zht48cb
    http://tinyurl.com/jbhtfau

    Profile of 9N314 is falsified because it has no rib of 6 mm:

    http://tinyurl.com/h2vg9f3

    Also warhead 9N318 from missile 9M317 is falsified. This because its rib of 6.5 mm sometimes could be wider but not systematically narrower and I guess albert_lex found mostly 6 mm ribs.

    [3. The submunitions were cube-shaped with 8x8x6 mm sides, give or take 0.5 mm. The minimum size was 7.5×7.5×5.5 mm. The maximum size was 8.5×8.5×6.5 mm. The minimum mass of each submunition was 2.4 g. The maximum mass of each submunition was 3.7 g. That is assuming submunitions made of steel.]

    So, warhead 9N318 (squares 8x8x6.5) fits theoretically but not statistically: not confirmed…

    [MH17 was shot down by mistake. A spy working at an airport informed the separatists that an Antonov 26 was scheduled to fly towards the Ukraine-Russian border. The intention was to shot down the Antonov. Ukraine secret service intercepted the message of the spy and cancelled the Antonov flight. However the separatists were not aware of the cancellation.]

    This logic just works the other way round according to the theory of the double spy. SBU has proven to be able to communicate by phone with the separatists in realtime. Indeed they intercepted a spy of the separatists at one of their airbases. But at gunpoint they forced him to inform the separatists an AN-26 was coming on the course track of the MH17. Why? Because SBU did not inform the separatists of this intercepted message and now they could be sure a (passenger) plane would be shot instead.

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