Many delays show the State of the Netherlands want to hide truth about MH17

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Update: July 19. The pressofficer of the Utrecht court let me know  the court did not decide yet on the request by Ministry of Justice to delay the handover of corrected documents with four more weeks.

Update October 25, 2017

Dutch Raad van State made a judgement about this case. Dutch Ministry of Security and Justice does not need to make public requested documents. The judgement provides a very detailed description of the process of this case.

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This post shows how State of the Netherlands wants to hide the truth on MH17. It is about a request based on the Wet Openbaarheid Bestuur (WOB or Freedom of Information Act) by Dutch newsstation RTL Nieuws together with NOS and Volkskrant.

RTL Nieuws requested documents from the Dutch government. What happened was censored documents, an objection, delay, a court case, more delay, more delay.

The request of RTL was the release of documents made by Ministeriële Commissie Crisisbeheersing (MCCb).

October 30,  2014. Dutch RTL requests State of the Netherlands to release documents on MH17. The WOB request is addressed to the Ministerie van Algemene Zaken lead by PM Rutte(source).

At November 12 2014 the Dutch Ministerie van Algemene Zaken handed over the WOB request to the Nationaal Coördinator Terrorismebestrijding en Veiligheid.

At November 27 2014 the Nationaal Coördinator Terrorismebestrijding en Veiligheid wrote a letter to RTL stating that the deadline for response was extended by four weeks.

In a letter dated February 10, 2015 the Nationaal Coördinator Terrorismebestrijding en Veiligheid announced it found 255 documents which match the request by RTL. State of the Netherlands  would make a number of documents public but also a number of documents would not be made public. The released documents can be found here. RTL reported about the release of documents here.

At March 20, 2015 RTL sent a letter of objection to the Ministry of Safety and Justice. The objection is because of most of the information was censored (source)

At August 12 2015 RTL published an article stating that the Dutch Minister of Safety and Justice refused to make documents public. RTL stated it would consider a court case to force  State of the Netherlands to release documents (source)

October 7, 2015. RTL, Volkskrant and NOS announced they will start a court case against Ministry of Safety and Justice (source)

 

February 9, 2015 The court case takes place in Utrecht. The case is registered under 15/4950 and 15/5091. Verdict is planed for end of March. (Source)

End of March: Utrecht court sent a letter to RTL that the verdict will be postponed till End of April, begin of May (source)

At May 3 the Utrecht court sends another letter to RTL. The verdict is again postponed now to at the latest June 3. (source)

At June 3, finaly the verdict of the judge was made public. Dutch State had to correct the censoring of documents. The deadline for resubmitting documents to RTL was set at July 29 (source). The verdict can be read here.

July 13, 2016. The lawyer of  State of the Netherlands sends a letter to the court of Utrecht and RTL requesting to extend the deadline to August 26 due to holidays including the holiday of the minister. (source)

At February 27 2017 Rechtbank Midden Holland ordered Ministry of Justice to make public the minutes of meetings.

At April 7, 2017 Dutch ministry of Security and Justice appealed at the Raad van State. This is the Netherlands highest  court. The case has been registered as  201702922/1 en 201702923/1

At July 11, 2017 there was a session at the Raad van State. An judgement would be expected in six weeks. However that six weeks were extended by another six weeks. (persbericht)

At September 29 2017 , Pieter Klein of RTL made public via Twitter that an judgement was postponed by another six weeks.

At October 23 2017 , the Netherlands highest court, Raad van State (Council of State) announced it will make public its judgement on October 25.

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11 Comments on Many delays show the State of the Netherlands want to hide truth about MH17

  1. Truth coming out too soon will harm the neocon election campaign of Obama/Hillary. Therefore I predict that any JIT public reports will be pushed beyond November.

  2. The lack of political will of the West to prosecute the Russian regime for downing MH17 becomes more and more obvious. Russian nuclear and military blackmail, big business interests, Russian threats to destabilize Europe, corrupted by Russian regime politicians, Putin’s sympathizers from far-right and far-left spectra, many suggestible people confused by Russian propaganda based on total lie… All this contributes to what’s going on. While in reality such connivance will only worsen the current situation, I don’t expect any improvements. Hardly those guilty of downing MH17 will be even legally established before replacement of the current Russian regime by a rational one. C’est la vie.

    • Boris Badenov // July 14, 2016 at 8:13 am // Reply

      To prosecute the Russia the west would need evidence, and the US government has presented none nor the Ukraine nor the Dutch nor Australia nor Malaysia nor Germany. No respected journalist has presented any evidence either.
      We must be moved only by evidence and that is why this site is doing such a good job.

    • sotilaspassi // July 14, 2016 at 10:34 am // Reply

      I agree with Slozhny.

      From open evidence we all see who did it.

      • Can you please explain me how using open source we can conclude who did it?
        After 2000+ hours of research I am still not able to conclude who is responsible.

        We know pretty sure there were one of more BUk’s in the area.
        One of the Buk’s was likely delivered via Russia.
        Who shot down MH17? I do not know.

        I do know all governments are hiding information.
        I do know two years after the shot down there is still no agreement under which law a courtcase should be done.

        I do know there is a lot of manipulation of the public opinion.

        • There are dozens of indirect evidences pointing to Russia’s guilt, and zero real ones pointing to Ukraine’s one. Nobody was able to make up a comprehensible scenario how Ukraine could do that even in theory, given the pattern of known evidences. Psychological reactions of representatives of the parties clearly demonstrate which ones act like being aware of their party’s guilt but trying to confuse everyone by talking nonsense. Collected evidences may be insufficient for a court to convict particular persons, but any well-informed individual who still claims doubts as to which party is guilty is obviously (for me) biased.

        • sotilaspassi // July 14, 2016 at 2:07 pm // Reply

          I’ve tried to find out facts that would enable BUK missile to cause MH17 damage from other direction than from inside rebel area (roughly same area A-A calculated for DSB). So far I’m not able to explain how other areas would be possible with BUK warhead on BUK missile.

          (+ 0 evidence of launch from outside rebel area)

          So, I know someone at rebel area killed MH17.
          I’m 99% sure it was RU crew under RU command.
          I do not know if CIA or SBU somehow fooled the RU crew to launch against airliner. (spotter was a mole???)

          • It is too easy to conclude a BUK inside rebel controlled area must be a RF BUk.
            Borders were fluid. I made a blogpost showing a map which showed area was controlled by rebels yet a large Ukraine convoy crossed the area.
            Rebels were merely situated in cities. There was not at each road and at each 200 meters a rebel checkpoint.

            Each day another party could control an area.

    • Ok, it’s a Russian nuclear blackmail delays the work of JIT, DSB, etc, But the nuclear blackmail failed to stop this:
      http://savepic.ru/10534229.jpg
      By reading statements like that you sometimes realize how big mess can go on inside info-warrior minds.

      • I remember something about Iraq. Something like we should invade Iraq because Saddam Hussein is dangerous and has chemical warfare.

        We were fooled! This should not happen again in 2016, 2017 etc with a lot of resources available on internet.
        We should not trust governments. We should not trust press as these are basically distribitors of press releases instead of watchdogs for our democracy.

    • Liane Theuer // July 14, 2016 at 12:21 pm // Reply

      Slozhny wrote : „The lack of political will of the West to prosecute the Russian regime for downing MH17 becomes more and more obvious.“

      That´s nonsense ! IF the west would have evidence that the „Russian regime“ is behind the downing of MH17, it had been presented with great pleasure.
      Instead „western regimes“ keep secret and let „private investigators“ like BC do the job to support a narrative which lacks hard evidence.

      Why except Ukraine has no other state declared the downing an act of terror ?

      I look at it the other way round : The West can not and will not admit that they were hoodwinked by Kiev.

      I see the fact that the letter to the relatives was not signed by Poroshenko himself as a sign that the political elite of Ukraine wants to wash away, if the truth still comes to light. Motto: “It was not me who lied about the radar data”.
      And we can only guess what lies they have also spread.

      One thing I know for certain: The truth is stressful for all parties. And that is an indication the shooting down of MH17 happened in front of a still unknown political background.

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