2nd video of ‘MH17 Inquiry’ released suggesting Elderberry bush does not blossom in July

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At July 8 a second video was released by a YouTube channel called ‘MH17 Inquiry’. The channel is probably financed by Russian businessman Alexander Mikhailovich Volovik.

The first video by MH17 Inquiry claimed the Zuhres video showing a BUK on a lowloader was filmed at July 5 in stead of the far more likely July 17. The video has various claims with are proven to be incorrect.

The July 8 released video makes even more ridiculous claims. MH17 Inquiry here tries to prove the May 12  discovered video taken in Makiivka was infact not made at July 17 2014.

The video claims a plant seen on the roadside  is a  Elderberry bush because the leaves on top seem lighter, thus are the white flowers of this bush. However, according to MH17 Inquiry, the elderberry bush does not blossom in  mid July. The video shows someone working for the Donetsk Botanical Garden which  tells about when the Elderberry bush blossoms.

The image to the left shows the Elderberry bush as seen in the the Makiivka video. The image right shows a screenshot  of a July 15 video  showing the exact bush.

However, when the Makiivka video is a bit closer to the tree you can clearly see the bush is not a Elderberry bush. The white colour seems to be caused by sunrays on leaves causing overexposure.

This video shows a slowmotion of the Elderberry bush

Forgot the fuelprices

MH17 Inquiry forgot to mention that the fuel prices seen on the Makiivka video are the same as the fuel price at July 17 and previous days. And the fuel price before July was likely different.

MH17  Inquiry”did not find the bush”

One of the weakest points of the claim is the fact that MH17 Inquiry does not show the exact location of the bush. The presenter stated that they did not find the bush on the location it was filmed. However the video does not show the location for the viewers being able check the claim.

On a video made a May 4 2016 the bush can still be seen. Another dashcam video uploaded to YouTube at May 29 2016 does not show the Elderberry bush either.

However, a dashcam  video made at July 6 2016 does not show the Elderberry  bush. The video shows at 06:01 the area at the petrol station where the bush was located.

At July 9 someone went to the petrol station where the Elderberry was planted and indeed it was gone. See the video.

This is a photo showing the threes near the roadside. The Elderberry bush is gone but the photo does show a tree with green leaves.

For the Luhansk video the MH17 Inquiry claims the leaves of the trees are too bright for July. However when the original video is compared to the screenshot shown by MH17 Inquiry, it is clear that the green leaves were modified to make it more bright.

MH17 Inquiry fails to mention that a satellite image is available on Google Earth showing a white truck with lowloader transporting what is highly likely a BUK. Also the Google Earth image shows cars which are also seen in the video. Bellingcat has a post about this here.

MH17 Inquiry also fails to mention the cloudpattern shown in DigitalGlobe photo taken at July 17 is very similar to the cloud patterns seen in the Makiivka video.

Conclusion

The first MH17 Inquiry video was a clumsy, ill prepared video trying to debunk the Zuhres video. The second video produced by MH17 Inquiry is an even more unconvincing (failed) try to debunk the Makiivka video.

MH17 Inquiry announced there will be more videos released soon.

 

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35 Comments on 2nd video of ‘MH17 Inquiry’ released suggesting Elderberry bush does not blossom in July

  1. These “Inquiry” videos are so stupid that they are fun to watch.

    • He cuts the footage right before the camera is about to see the place with the bush, so we instead can see more of his moustache. The idiot is probably thinking that he is doing a great service to Russia, and imagines how Putin should congratulate him on the job well done.

  2. Boris Badenov // July 9, 2016 at 11:53 am // Reply

    How can we know it is not an elderberry bush?

    • We can’t unless you physically examine the location. First assumption should be that it can be any sort of plant. But I know from my own experience that Elderberry’s have narrow flexible branches which makes the plant’s movement very susceptible for even the smallest amount of wind gust especially when they are flowering. I’m surprised the people from this MH17inquiry channel didn’t put forward this argument. The strong elastic movement in the branches of the plant caused by the wind or the air flow from the passing BUK vehicle in comparison to the movement of the other tree branches in the surrounding area. If it was a bet, I’ll take my chances at 80%/20% because of the blurriness of the video. The second argument about the chlorophyll is too weak in my opinion.

  3. Also the same bush could been seen on video made less then 2 months before filming of “MH17 Inquiry” but they say they could not find it…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCdU3XYUtKo

  4. Hugh Eaven // July 9, 2016 at 11:58 am // Reply

    If only they would have found the actual Elderberry bush! Or let the botanic expert look at the video. And if there was a reason to keep the video blurry it probably has to do with specifics of the vehicles. It’s a rather absurd misdirection altogether. The intended audience is OR stupid folks, making them feel briefly clever OR it’s intended for the more clever folks, trying to make the producers look stupid. It certainly would preemptively discredit other attempts to question those videos. But even that possibility sounds too much cloak and dagger. The impact factor of this Youtube channel cannot be that high with a few thousand views per video.

  5. All dash cameras have date on what they film
    why in this video was erased ?
    It’s sufficient just this one thing to think it’s all fake

  6. Billy Bob // July 9, 2016 at 7:59 pm // Reply

    the bush is apparently gone according to a twitter poster. she posts a screenshot from a video from the same ‘video map’ local video maker.

    but i cannot find the video.

    https://twitter.com/an_grokholskaya/status/751566874593427456

  7. Billy Bob // July 9, 2016 at 8:05 pm // Reply

    hang on i found it by going to her tweets and replies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0upZAcwmaQ&feature=youtu.be

    note this is an unlisted video. its impossible to find it by search. how did she know it was there?

    • > how did she know it was there?
      Someone posted a link on the Smolensk forum.

      • Billy Bob // July 9, 2016 at 8:13 pm // Reply

        so why were you going on about how the mh17 inquiry video makers didnt show the place where the bush used to be, as though that was a big deal?

        they told the truth. the bush is gone.

        • > they told the truth. the bush is gone.
          So why not show this to us?

          • Billy Bob // July 9, 2016 at 8:18 pm //

            what the feck does it matter. there’s no fecking bush. end of.

          • Billy, the video is obviously shot to convince viewers about something. Don’t you agree? Then if the task is to convince viewers, why cutting the most convincing shot? Cutting it out is insulting viewers intelligence.

            Secondly. As the bush is not there for real, we have the right to suspect that the moustached man himself removed it, so that we cannot verify whether it was really Elderberry or something else.

  8. Billy Bob // July 9, 2016 at 8:07 pm // Reply

    Confirmed. Bush is gone.

  9. Billy Bob // July 9, 2016 at 8:55 pm // Reply

    If you want to believe the moustachioed man removed the bush as part of a cunning scheme but inexplicably neglected to show viewers that it wasn’t there any more, feel free to do so.

    • It’s not a cunning scheme, it’s a stupid scheme. If it was a cunning scheme they’d tried harder. Not showing the place, but instead showing half a kilometer of the road before it guarantees you are not going to convince anyone who’s half smart.

  10. I don’t want to waste any time chatting about the alleged elderberry bush, but the link by Miki above shows some bush, not very clearly, at the same spot (at 06:51). The video was published on Youtube on 16 May 2016, The timestamp on the video says 04.05.2016.

    It’s not really worthwhile commenting on blossoms or video quality. I’ll only quote what the narrator says at 5:23 in the “MH17 Inquiry” video: “We did not find that bush”.

  11. Where are not any track traces (from tanks) on the road. But it must be. On July 15 it was very clearly to see. That traces do not disappear very long time.

    See screenshot: http://sd.uploads.ru/CNYfc.jpg
    And video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH1nBbJhh8M

    • Info from Kemet (webtalk).

      If you check gas station prices: http://vseazs.com/ you can get only July 11-17.

      If you check traces (see above) you get July 11-15.

      If you check weather (http://moscow.planeta.smislab.ru/geocover_v4/planeta.sht) you get July 11 or July 14:

      11: http://uploads.ru/yGOu5.jpg (partly cloudy)
      12: http://uploads.ru/kt32q.jpg (overcast)
      13: http://uploads.ru/A7uks.jpg (overcast)
      14: http://uploads.ru/N1KDU.jpg (partly cloudy)

      • Hugh Eaven // July 10, 2016 at 10:49 am // Reply

        Thanks JayDi, I didn’t realize July 11th in wayback machine showed the same gas prices. http://web.archive.org/web/20140711235805/http://parallel.ua/

        It’s weird Bellingcat doesn’t mention that at all in their article. Sloppy as usual.

        Now you only need to address that satellite image tagged for the 17th where apart from a truck with some cars tagging it, a white car would be parked at the same spot as in the video. You’d need to argue for coincidences (obviously similar patterns might occur at times but what’s the chance for this combination) or incorrect dates, eg image product latestAcqTime being days after earliestAcqTime and Google only listing the latest date of a possible range. That case seems pretty weak however. Still BC could just publish metadata file of the purchased imagery and be done wit it.

        • I see no cars at all tagging the truck in the satellite image.

          There are 2 cars on the other side of the road, which it seems reasonable to think are going the other way.

          • Hugh Eaven // July 10, 2016 at 7:59 pm //

            That’s true at face value but BC connects it with a similar situation reported through VK earlier that day about what’s claimed to be the same convoy at 10:40: “The militants got out of their cars, blocking 2 of the far left lanes. Obviously, they were waiting for logistical guidance.” https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/03/04/8110/ including schreenshots, orginal intact link and archive.

            Assuming we trust the VK as untainted technical resource, we have to wonder who posted this, from which vantage point and why this very explicit unreal detail on the cars like it’s some kind of police report.

      • Hugh Eaven // July 10, 2016 at 4:10 pm // Reply

        JayDi, if those are the two choices, I’d really push for the 14th considering the progress of fighting around Luhansk and the airport. Around the 11th having a BUK around all those armoured brigades would be tactically way more advantageous but not anymore on the 14th, with the risk of losing it or getting it damaged as it might indeed become targeted or taken.

        Why transporting towards Snizhne? It might at least explain the attempt to bomb it, as suggested on http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17.com/was-a-parked-buk-the-reason-for-the-july-15-bombardment-of-snizhne/

        Another reason no side wants to really talk? Ukrainian knowledge of active enemy BUK presence = poison, attacking civilian town = poison. The pushed version then is how the BUK came to “defend” the town after the bombing on the 15th, although no clear strategic value seems present. Hmmm.

      • Russian satellite data access site pointed out above (http://moscow.planeta.smislab.ru/geocover_v4/planeta.sht) looks to have a handy GUI but I was not able to make it work. I was able to download weather satellite data files from US NOAA
        http://www.class.ncdc.noaa.gov/saa/products/welcome and had to find GIS program to process them, see http://imgur.com/a/zE91Y.

        Satellite data files give start and end times of scan (e.g. .S0630.E0811.) but I have not figured out how to get exact time that a particular region of the image was captured.

        This would help confirm/reject claimed times of some photos & videos.

        BTW “Elderberry” vid claim that Zuhres video was from 5 July does not fit too well with weather conditions (esp. wind direction) that day.

  12. Liane Theuer // July 11, 2016 at 11:48 am // Reply

    This blog post managed to jump into liveleak, contributing to anti-Putin narratives :
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=27b_1468187532

    Since NATO is to respond increasingly to counter threats by Russian “hybrid warfare” in Ukraine, the Elderberry bush is perhaps part of the “NATO hybrid warfare counter action”.
    Who knows on which side ‘MH17 Inquiry’ really is…

  13. Mr.Bushkin // July 12, 2016 at 12:56 pm // Reply

    Quote: “However, when the Makiivka video is a bit closer to the tree you can clearly see the bush is not a Elderberry bush. The white colour seems to be caused by sunrays on leaves causing overexposure.”

    This seems to explain, why the forementioned bush is missing now.

  14. Wind Tunnel Man // September 3, 2016 at 3:24 pm // Reply

    I’ve just noticed an elderberry bush (Sambucus nigra) in bloom here in the southern part of the UK at the beginning of September. The bush was cut back in the spring and now the new growth has produced flowers. So it’s possible in Ukraine that a roadside elderberry bush can produce flowers throughout the summer if it was cut back or damaged in the early part of the season.

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